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The will to perservere
8/31/2006 6:45 PM

I recount this history because once again we face the same kind of challenges in efforts to confront the rising threat of a new type of fascism.

Today, another enemy -- a different kind of enemy -- has also made clear its intentions -- in places like New York, Washington, D.C., Bali, London, Madrid, and Moscow. But it is apparent that many have still not learned history's lessons.

We need to face the following questions:

* With the growing lethality and availability of weapons, can we truly afford to believe that somehow vicious extremists can be appeased?

* Can we really continue to think that free countries can negotiate a separate peace with terrorists?

* Can we truly afford the luxury of pretending that the threats today are simply "law enforcement" problems, rather than fundamentally different threats, requiring fundamentally different approaches?

* And can we truly afford to return to the destructive view that America -- not the enemy -- is the real source of the world's trouble?

These are central questions of our time. And we must face them.

We hear everyday of new plans, new efforts, to murder Americans and other free people. Indeed, the plot recently discovered that would have killed hundreds -- possibly thousands -- of innocent men, women, and children on planes coming from Britain to the United States should have demonstrated to all that the enemy is serious, lethal, and relentless.

But this is still -- in 2006 -- not well recognized or fully understood. It seems that in some quarters there is more of a focus on dividing our country, than acting with unity against the gathering threats.

We find ourselves in a strange time:



Donald Rumsfeld in a speech to the American Legion - 8/30/06

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Re: The will to perservere
8/31/2006 7:28 PM
jlb:

I recount this history because once again we face the same kind of challenges in efforts to confront the rising threat of a new type of fascism.

Today, another enemy -- a different kind of enemy -- has also made clear its intentions -- in places like New York, Washington, D.C., Bali, London, Madrid, and Moscow. But it is apparent that many have still not learned history's lessons.

We need to face the following questions:

* With the growing lethality and availability of weapons, can we truly afford to believe that somehow vicious extremists can be appeased?

* Can we really continue to think that free countries can negotiate a separate peace with terrorists?

* Can we truly afford the luxury of pretending that the threats today are simply "law enforcement" problems, rather than fundamentally different threats, requiring fundamentally different approaches?

* And can we truly afford to return to the destructive view that America -- not the enemy -- is the real source of the world's trouble?

These are central questions of our time. And we must face them.

We hear everyday of new plans, new efforts, to murder Americans and other free people. Indeed, the plot recently discovered that would have killed hundreds -- possibly thousands -- of innocent men, women, and children on planes coming from Britain to the United States should have demonstrated to all that the enemy is serious, lethal, and relentless.

But this is still -- in 2006 -- not well recognized or fully understood. It seems that in some quarters there is more of a focus on dividing our country, than acting with unity against the gathering threats.

We find ourselves in a strange time:



Donald Rumsfeld in a speech to the American Legion - 8/30/06

Great post and and another good speech by Donny.

IMO (Monday morning quarterbacking for sure) We find ourselves in this position because of the leadership we have had over the generations. Maybe even back beyond our grandparents. We could have done a better job working with the enemy before they became the enemy. And it goes double for them as well. Funny how the leaders get to declare war and never fight in one. Massive global group hypnosis.

With the caliber, abundance, and quality of weaponry available. WHat are we all in store for in the future.

This situation was preventable and now it is unstopable. There is only one way to beat a suicidal enemy. And if we do it. It only guarantees that more will step up to fight us. If we quit they keep coming.

WTF [:wtf] do you do to win the peace?

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Re: The will to perservere
8/31/2006 7:41 PM

I'm still at a loss as to why we continue to  have wide open borders.

Sure, our government's deployed some National Guard down there, but does anyone really think that they can't do more.

And still only search a tiny amount of the containers that come onto our shores.

Forget about searching grandma at the airport, how about stopping the seive at our borders.

 

 

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Re: The will to perservere
8/31/2006 7:50 PM

Good point CVH, but I worry less about the mexican that's weedeating beside the interstate than those muslims (profiling again sorry it's a habit) that come here to study then go into hiding when their student visa's (sp) expire.

 

Rummy is the man that's for sure, just the type that liberal arts majors can't stand.

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Re: The will to perservere
9/1/2006 10:11 AM

Rumsfeld's delusional critics

I meant what I said - there's a lack of perspective

 

 

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Re: The will to perservere
9/1/2006 10:18 AM
jlb:

 

Gosh you're getting as bad as smoe of our Democratic friends here....

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Re: The will to perservere
9/1/2006 10:24 AM

What Rumsfeld actually said:

http://www.defenselink.mil/Speeches/Speech.aspx?SpeechID=1033

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Re: The will to perservere
9/1/2006 10:24 AM
I really do appreciate Rummy.  He's got an awesome grasp of the political games that have to be played and he really does seem to enjoy them at the same time.