NWFAN#1
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Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/10/2009 5:58 PM
Oh well...someone else can win that championship then...2010
Demonspeed
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Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/15/2009 7:26 PM
That's a shame.  If he ran one more season he could tie Dale Jr in championships.
omajinai
Joined: 4-26-2009
Posts: 135
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/18/2009 8:57 PM
Demonspeed wrote:
That's a shame.  If he ran one more season he could tie Dale Jr in championships.
 

Dale Jr. got those championships before Kyle hit the scene.

Anytime you want to compare Head to Head records...  oh wait - you don't want to do that, do you?


 
Demonspeed
Joined: 4-6-2008
Posts: 4379
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/19/2009 11:52 AM
Fine, pretend I said someone Kylie did race against and couldn't beat.
Jimmiedaman
Joined: 6-7-2009
Posts: 94
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/19/2009 6:58 PM
omajinai wrote:
Demonspeed wrote:
That's a shame.  If he ran one more season he could tie Dale Jr in championships.  

Dale Jr. got those championships before Kyle hit the scene.

Anytime you want to compare Head to Head records...  oh wait - you don't want to do that, do you?


 
Sure he does.

Kyle Busch stats:

Nationwide

Wins: 27
T5s: 73
T10s: 96
Champs: 0

Cup

Wins: 15
T5s: 52
T10s: 79
Champs: 0


Dale Jr. Stats:


Nationwide

Wins: 22
T5s: 51
T10s: 71
Champs: 2


Cup

Wins: 18
T5s: 88
T10s: 141
Champs: 0


Note: Jr. really had only two full seasons on NW racing in which he won the championship in consecutive faction. Compare to Kyle's 4th full NW season.

So I'm gonna give the nod to Dale Jr. on the Nationwide side.

And it looks like Dalr Jr. beats Kyle Busch on the cup side as well so that's 2 for Dale and 0 for Kyle.

As of August 19, 2009 Dale Jr. clearly is the better man.



omajinai
Joined: 4-26-2009
Posts: 135
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/20/2009 8:28 AM
Jimmiedaman wrote:
omajinai wrote:
Demonspeed wrote:
That's a shame.  If he ran one more season he could tie Dale Jr in championships.  

Dale Jr. got those championships before Kyle hit the scene.

Anytime you want to compare Head to Head records...  oh wait - you don't want to do that, do you?


 
Sure he does.

Kyle Busch stats:

Nationwide

Wins: 27
T5s: 73
T10s: 96
Champs: 0

Cup

Wins: 15
T5s: 52
T10s: 79
Champs: 0


Dale Jr. Stats:


Nationwide

Wins: 22
T5s: 51
T10s: 71
Champs: 2


Cup

Wins: 18
T5s: 88
T10s: 141
Champs: 0


Note: Jr. really had only two full seasons on NW racing in which he won the championship in consecutive faction. Compare to Kyle's 4th full NW season.

So I'm gonna give the nod to Dale Jr. on the Nationwide side.

And it looks like Dalr Jr. beats Kyle Busch on the cup side as well so that's 2 for Dale and 0 for Kyle.

As of August 19, 2009 Dale Jr. clearly is the better man.



 

Geez... like I said earlier... what a real marooon,

I said HEAD-TO-HEAD statistics...   both racing against each other.

Not 10 1/2  years of statistics against 4 1/2  years of statistics.

I would think that someone that is SUCH as NASCAR fan such as you would know what Head to Head means.  Off to work, but I'll post those statistics later today.  Unless you really don't want me to...
 
mudslinger47
Joined: 12-26-2007
Posts: 886
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/20/2009 12:19 PM
Looks like a no brainer, Kyle has about matched Jr. in half the time.  Jr. better get a wiggle on!!


Duane
omajinai
Joined: 4-26-2009
Posts: 135
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/20/2009 10:54 PM

As promised... here is the full statistical story...  after all, if you just toss some "selective" numbers out there, you can make any point.

Since this is the Nationwide forum, I'll start with the Nationwide comparison...

Dale Earnhardt, Junior

         S  W  5 10  P  Pts  Rnk    
1996     1  0  0  0  0  121  77
1997     8  0  0  1  0  684  47
1998    31  7 16 22  3 4469   1
1999    32  6 18 22  5 4647   1
2001     1  0  0  0  0   76 118
2002     3  2  2  2  1  425  60
2003     3  3  3  3  1  555  66
2004     4  2  3  3  1  677  49
2005     4  0  1  2  0  410  75
2006     5  2  2  3  0  761  53
2007     5  0  1  3  0  668  60
2008     9  0  3  7  0 1235  42
2009     6  0  2  3  0  731  46
Totals 112 22 51 71 11

18% wins
19.6% top 5
45.5% top 10
9.8% poles


And Kyle Busch

Kyle Busch
NASCAR Nationwide Series career summary 
 
         S  W  5 10  P  Pts  Rnk
2003     7  0  2  3  0  827   48
2004    34  5 16 22  5 4943    2
2005    14  1  2  3  1 1206   44
2006    34  1  4 12  2 3921    7
2007    19  4 14 16  3 2943   16
2008    30 10 18 20  4 4461    6
2009    22  6 16 19  3 3646    1

Totals 160 27 72 95 18
16.8% win
45% top 5
59.3% top 10
11.3% poles

Across their Nationwide career, Junior has the edge in winning percentage - 18.0% to 16.8%.  But overall, including top 5s and top 10s... Kyle has the signficant edge. 

Of course,  helping SKEW the win percentage in Junior's favor, is the 2002, 2003, and 2004, where he won 7 out of 10 races he entered...  9 of the 10 being either Daytona or Talledega.  Without those Superspeedway ONLY years, he would be trailing in winning percentage as well.  After all, racing is done on more that just Super Speedways.

And, the majority of Junior's wins - and his two championships, came before Kyle was allowed to race because of his age.

But, I'll give Junior the edge in win percentage.

omajinai
Joined: 4-26-2009
Posts: 135
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/20/2009 11:03 PM

And continuing on with the Cup side...

 

Dale Earnhardt Jr. Career Statistics
 Races  350  Average Finish  16.52 
 Wins  18  Average Start  15.6 
 Top 5 Finishes  88  Total Laps Led  6,477 
 Top 10 Finishes  141  Total Laps  99,207 
 Top 20 Finishes  230  % of Laps  95.78% 
 Poles  8  DNF's  46 

Dale Earnhardt Jr. Results by Year 
   
                           St  W T5 T10 AF   AS   P   LL  PTS   WINNINGS
2009 NASCAR Sprint Cup     23  0  2  4 22.09 22.0 0    96 2278 $2,690,018 detail
2008 NASCAR Sprint Cup 12  36  1 10 16 14.06 10.3 1   896 4605 $4,284,415 detail
2007 NASCAR Nextel Cup 16  36  0  7 12 18.61 14.7 1   433 4029 $5,088,015 detail
2006 NASCAR Nextel Cup  5  36  1 10 17 13.50 19.2 0   444 4641 $5,229,229 detail
2005 NASCAR Nextel Cup 19  36  1  7 13 20.53 24.9 0   169 3780 $5,601,654 detail
167 STARTS                     3 36 62
1.7% WIN
21.6% TOP 5
37.12 TOP 10

 I broke his "pre Kyle" years out... but wanted to provide the statistics anyway....

2004 NASCAR Nextel Cup  5  36  6 16 21 12.11 10.9 0 1,131 4919 $6,859,802 detail
2003 NASCAR Winston Cup 3  36  2 13 21 12.72 12.5 0 1,046 4815 $4,652,593 detail
2002 NASCAR Winston Cup 11 36  2 11 16 17.11 12.8 2 1,068 4270 $3,296,221 detail
2001 NASCAR Winston Cup 8  36  3  9 15 15.17 16.7 2   767 4460 $4,309,905 detail
2000 NASCAR Winston Cup 16 34  2  3  5 20.85 14.6 2   426 3516 $2,067,075 detail
1999 NASCAR Winston Cup 48  5  0  0  1 21.40 14.4 0     1 500    $162,095 detail


Kyle Busch

 

Kyle Busch Career Statistics
 Races  173  Average Finish  16.68 
 Wins    15  Average Start  14.8 
 Top 5  Finishes  52  Total Laps Led  4,070 
 Top 10 Finishes  79  Total Laps  47,360 
 Top 20 Finishes  110  % of Laps  93.49% 
 Poles  5  DNF's  20 

 8.6% WINS
30.5% TOP 5
45.6% TOP 10
63.5% TOP 20

 

Kyle Busch Results by Year

                           St  W T5 T10 AF   AS   P   LL  PTS   WINNINGS
2009 NASCAR Sprint Cup     23  3  5  7 17.57 10.0 1   824 2721 $4,008,832 detail
2008 NASCAR Sprint Cup  10 36  8 17 21 12.47 11.9 2 1,673 4984 $6,365,294 detail
2007 NASCAR Nextel Cup   5 36  1 11 20 14.08 15.0 0   637 4610 $4,493,058 detail
2006 NASCAR Nextel Cup  10 36  1 10 18 15.50 14.9 1   571 4441 $4,622,183 detail
2005 NASCAR Nextel Cup  20 36  2  9 13 21.00 18.6 1   365 3778 $4,148,114 detail
167 STARTS                167 15 52 79
 8.9% WINS
31.3% TOP 5
47.3% TOP 10

 I broke 2004 out separately, because I didn't want to take the time to do race by race statistics on the 6 races they ran against each other in 2004.

2004 NASCAR Nextel Cup  52  6  0  0  0 35.17 27.2 0     0  345 $  394,489 detail
 

Junior career stats:
 5.1% WINS
25.1% TOP 5
40.0% TOP 10
65.7% TOP 20

Kyle career stats:
 8.6% WINS
30.5% TOP 5
45.6% TOP 10
63.5% TOP 20

Edge goes to Kyle Busch by a LARGE margin.

Head to head stats... full years 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and partial year 2009...

Junior...
167 STARTS                    
1.7% WIN
21.6% TOP 5
37.12 TOP 10

Kyle...
167 STARTS               
 8.9% WINS
31.3% TOP 5
47.3% TOP 10

Again - SIGNIFICANTLY leaning towards Kyle Busch.

I told you you didn't really want to see the numbers!
 

Jimmiedaman
Joined: 6-7-2009
Posts: 94
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/21/2009 11:32 AM
Omajinai, the advantage Kyle has on the cup side over Junior isn't that much. I would say they're comparable without one or the other having an outrageous advantage.


omajinai
Joined: 4-26-2009
Posts: 135
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/21/2009 6:04 PM
Jimmiedaman wrote:
Omajinai, the advantage Kyle has on the cup side over Junior isn't that much. I would say they're comparable without one or the other having an outrageous advantage.


 


Well....   of course you would say that.  You don't like Kyle, and won't bother looking at what the numbers really say.

Win % across the career...   8.9% to 5.1% doesn't SOUND like a lot - but that's almost 9 to 5 which is just "slightly" less that DOUBLE the win percent.  

Head to head...   8.9% to 1.7....  which is 4 TIMES the winning percentage by Kyle. 

But...  it's just "isn't that much", right?   Come on now. 

Almost double across the career and 4 times head to head - is an outrageous advantage.   Half the number of races run and 4 wins away from passing him for total wins in his career. 

Man up - admit the numbers tell the real story.


 
Jimmiedaman
Joined: 6-7-2009
Posts: 94
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/22/2009 2:18 AM
Come on man, Kyle did that last year with all those wins. Before joining Gibbs he was just as bad as Junior on the win columm. I think he had what? Like 4 wins in 3 years?

Who's to say Junior wont go on a hot streak and knock off 5-6 wins like he did in '04? Let's give these cats a few more years yeah?

Oh and Is not that I dont like Kyle I just dont respect him, or should I say what he does when he loses or the things he says because things just dont happen to go his way.

I dont really care for Dale Jr. either but at least he's under control.
20forLogano
Joined: 3-29-2009
Posts: 381
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/22/2009 7:26 AM
Jimmiedaman wrote:
Come on man, Kyle did that last year with all those wins. Before joining Gibbs he was just as bad as Junior on the win columm. I think he had what? Like 4 wins in 3 years?

Who's to say Junior wont go on a hot streak and knock off 5-6 wins like he did in '04? Let's give these cats a few more years yeah?

Oh and Is not that I dont like Kyle I just dont respect him, or should I say what he does when he loses or the things he says because things just dont happen to go his way.

I dont really care for Dale Jr. either but at least he's under control.
 
And 8 of Junior's 19 career wins came when DEI had bar none the best RP program around so you can eliminate the Kyle to JGR stuff.  Just showing the other side of things
omajinai
Joined: 4-26-2009
Posts: 135
Kyle says limited schedule next year..
8/22/2009 11:38 AM
Jimmiedaman wrote:
Come on man, Kyle did that last year with all those wins. Before joining Gibbs he was just as bad as Junior on the win columm. I think he had what? Like 4 wins in 3 years?

Who's to say Junior wont go on a hot streak and knock off 5-6 wins like he did in '04? Let's give these cats a few more years yeah?

Oh and Is not that I dont like Kyle I just dont respect him, or should I say what he does when he loses or the things he says because things just dont happen to go his way.

I dont really care for Dale Jr. either but at least he's under control.
 

And who's to say that Kyle won't have another 8 win year like he did last year?

Face it - head to head - Kyle is by far the better driver.   And when his 10th full season in CUP rolls around, he will have far more wins than Junior does after 10 years.

Don't play the "He's with JGR and that's gotten him the wins" game.  Junior is when Hendrick - the winningest team - and it's gotten him 1 fuel mileage win.

I really have a great disdain for people who, when even shown the proof, refuse to admit the truth.

As for Kyle's attitude - you either like it, or you don't.  But his attitude will get him more wins than the "oh - shucks... I guess I didn't win but that's okay" attitude of many of the drivers out there today.  And his attitude is not much different than some of the great drivers from the past.  The only difference between then and now is it just wasn't broadcast on television for everyone to see - and there weren't forums like this available for everyone to talk about it.