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Should NASCAR change its drug policy?
4/11/2008 10:39 AM
In the wake of the Aaron Fike revelations, RacingOne's Pete Pistone thinks it's time for NASCAR to step up its drug and substance abuse policy and develop a strict testing program.

Read more about Pete's feelings on the subject here.

How do you think NASCAR should address this problem?
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4/11/2008 11:30 AM
I don't know about changing anything concerning drugs. Is it due to Harvick on television this week ? Fike is really old news and I guess that I was wondering why everyone is big on testing policies. It's been a very busy week so maybe I missed something.
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4/11/2008 1:03 PM
"How do you think NASCAR should address this problem?"

How? That's simple. Let em use all the drugs and booze they want just like the fans in the stands. The racing would be a hell of a lot more entertaining. The drivers and pit crews would be a lot happier and everyone would have more fun.


Tell me something. Every day we're faced with new regulations, new laws, and new controls. More and more people are for more (and more) of this kind of stuff. Soon we will be pounded into complete submission. What kind of people are these and in the end will you join them or will you fight them?

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4/11/2008 2:01 PM
I find it funny that NASCAR says that the current policy is working when Fike is proof that it doesn't work, since he was on drugs when he was on the track.   Putting other people in danger is a huge flaw I believe.

A new policy won't show up for at least a couple months though.  I'm sure there are some drivers that like to hit the bong after work since the current policy is so lax.  They need ample time to clear their system.  NASCAR wouldn't want to kick all of their popular drivers out now would they.
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4/11/2008 5:04 PM
If NASCAR changes it's drug policy there are going to be alot of people getting fired or in re-hab. I was down in the Charlotte area in the mid 90's, spent alot of time with some of the crew members. Now I am not straight laced or puritanical, but I was surprised with the drug use and drinking among the crews. I will add that I did not see them doing it at the track, but that is not to say they weren't. I came home from work one night, well probably about 2AM and the next day someone from Bobby Allison's team approached me and asked where I was coming from at that hour. I said work. So I asked him what he was doing up at that hour and he told me he had been doing coke...It's a wonder that Allison's team wasn't doing so well.

I think NASCAR should change it's policy. Random testing ought to do the trick.

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4/11/2008 7:54 PM
def717 wrote:
If NASCAR changes it's drug policy there are going to be alot of people getting fired or in re-hab. I was down in the Charlotte area in the mid 90's, spent alot of time with some of the crew members. Now I am not straight laced or puritanical, but I was surprised with the drug use and drinking among the crews. I will add that I did not see them doing it at the track, but that is not to say they weren't. I came home from work one night, well probably about 2AM and the next day someone from Bobby Allison's team approached me and asked where I was coming from at that hour. I said work. So I asked him what he was doing up at that hour and he told me he had been doing coke...It's a wonder that Allison's team wasn't doing so well.

I think NASCAR should change it's policy. Random testing ought to do the trick.

 

Yeah, sure, right, whatever you say!!!
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4/11/2008 8:36 PM
Sozo wrote:
  ...................will you join them or will you fight them?

 



Sozo, I'm the last person on this Forum who would advocate more Big Brother type activity.

Having said that, let me say this.

Participation at a NASCAR sanctioned event is strictly voluntary. No one (driver, team member, reporter, owner, wife, contract worker) is required to participate. Specifically where drivers and crew members are concerned................no, make that ANYONE holding garage credentials..........much is expected. 

I would advocate randow drug testing (marijuana, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines) for anyone with these privileges, using a random number draw type system. Zero Tolerance.

Test positive? Option for immediate re-test. Refuse to re-test or test positive again.....................

SEEEEE YUH. 

 
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4/11/2008 10:00 PM
texracr wrote:
Sozo wrote:
  ...................will you join them or will you fight them?
 
Sozo, I'm the last person on this Forum who would advocate more Big Brother type activity.

Having said that, let me say this.

Participation at a NASCAR sanctioned event is strictly voluntary. No one (driver, team member, reporter, owner, wife, contract worker) is required to participate. Specifically where drivers and crew members are concerned................no, make that ANYONE holding garage credentials..........much is expected. 

I would advocate randow drug testing (marijuana, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines) for anyone with these privileges, using a random number draw type system. Zero Tolerance.

Test positive? Option for immediate re-test. Refuse to re-test or test positive again.....................

SEEEEE YUH. 

 

Hi ya texracr! . . .  Been a long time.
 
You clipped my quote.

Yeah OK! . . . . .  I knew it was gonna come as soon as I posted it, and I agree with you.

I'm just tired of seeing this kind of stuff (more control) every day, and I really don't care to debate it either, so a little tongue in cheek.   I understand the need to test an adult for drugs that may lead to harming another, but soon a parent will not be allowed to spank a child. So simple put, don't spank to correct but test when they get older.

I don't use drugs, never have. I don't drink but used too. Look it up and you'll find alcohol is worse that drugs, so why not ban alcohol? If a bartender lets a customer have too many and he causes harm afterwards the bartender is liable. If nascar allows fans to drink during a race and he causes harm afterwards is nascar liable? Seems to me they are.

My point is the same people who want to impose all these controls (politicians especially) sit at home and get stoned and cause their harm or get stoned in a bar and some cause harm on the way home. Who needs  testing?

It's a merry-go-round subject but when it comes to "train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart form it" nobody wants to hear of it.

We want our cake and we want to eat it too. Fine but as the old Fram commercial says "You can pay me now, or you can pay me later".


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4/11/2008 10:19 PM
NASCAR's only policy should have been a total zero policy. No exception. Those who suffer a medical condition should be able to drive under the strictest obsevation of a physician, including the use of CLARATIN. But until NASCAR decides to stop associating itself with other sports and thier excuses, until NASCAR decides to promote DRIVERS and not pretty boys, UNTIL NASCAR gets back to its' roots, then and only then will this sport again thrive. GET RID OF THE MEXICO RACE AND BRING BACK  ROCKINGHAM!!!!!! 
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4/12/2008 12:24 AM
Nothing wrong with the policy. Sooner or later everyone except Jr will be suspended for this.

Do you realize how many poles and wins he will get then?
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4/12/2008 10:12 AM
Bill wrote:

Yeah, sure, right, whatever you say!!!

Excuse me? Please elaborate.
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4/12/2008 10:31 AM
There is no such thing as "drugs and alcohol"....


...alcohol IS a drug.
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4/12/2008 6:05 PM
Whatever. I don't think I will be posting here anymore because obviously it is just another place for people to henpeck, nitpick and act like idiots.
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4/12/2008 7:28 PM
def717 wrote:
Whatever. I don't think I will be posting here anymore because obviously it is just another place for people to henpeck, nitpick and act like idiots.
You should fit right in then!!! :)
 
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4/12/2008 7:48 PM
def717 wrote:
Whatever. I don't think I will be posting here anymore because obviously it is just another place for people to henpeck, nitpick and act like idiots.
 


Hey def, if you've got an opinion, poin of view, pet peeve...............whatever, just state it.

But don't be suprised if someone has a differing viewpoint. It's an opinion Forum.

Wouldn't be much fun if we all sat around holdin' hands, singin' Kumbaya and noddin' our heads in agreement whenever somebody posted something.
 
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4/12/2008 10:42 PM
I see trees of green........ red roses too
I see em bloom..... for me and for you
And I think to myself.... what a wonderful world.

I see skies of blue..... clouds of white
Bright blessed days....dark sacred nights
And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world.

The colors of a rainbow.....so pretty ..in the sky
Are also on the faces.....of people ..going by
I see friends shaking hands.....sayin.. how do you do
Theyre really sayin......I love you.

I hear babies cry...... I watch them grow
Theyll learn much more.....than Ill never know
And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world

The colors of a rainbow.....so pretty ..in the sky
Are also on the faces.....of people.. going by
I see friends shaking hands.....sayin.. how do you do
They're really sayin... I ....love....you.

I hear babies cry...... I watch them grow
they'll learn much more... than I'll ever know . . .
And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world
Yes I think to myself .......what... a... wonderful... world.........
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4/13/2008 12:29 AM
def717 wrote:
Whatever. I don't think I will be posting here anymore because obviously it is just another place for people to henpeck, nitpick and act like idiots.
 


That would be so much more meaningful from someone with more than 3 posts, 1 of which is merely crying about what other people post.
 
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4/13/2008 5:27 PM
texracr wrote:
def717 wrote:
Whatever. I don't think I will be posting here anymore because obviously it is just another place for people to henpeck, nitpick and act like idiots.
 


Hey def, if you've got an opinion, poin of view, pet peeve...............whatever, just state it.

But don't be suprised if someone has a differing viewpoint. It's an opinion Forum.

Wouldn't be much fun if we all sat around holdin' hands, singin' Kumbaya and noddin' our heads in agreement whenever somebody posted something.
 

Opinions are like butt holes, everybody has one!!!
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4/14/2008 11:51 AM
Alright, my OPINION is this. I've stated it before, and we got into 1 heckuvan argument over this. But, I'll chime in again because God knows we need more arguments in this forum.

MANDATORY WEEKLY TESTING. Do it the morning of each and every race. It takes a couple of minutes to give the specimen, and even the busiest driver can take that much time. In fact, do it while the drivers are on their way to be introduced. They have to be there anyway, so use this. A few "collection areas" strategically placed, 5 minutes of every driver's time and it's over for the week.

This takes away the possibility of partaking directly before the race, or even the entire week OF the race. And, with some drugs, a lot longer than that.

I suppose that everyone would want a maximum allowable limit of alcohol, so that everyone can enjoy themselves the night before; BUT, what's the allowable limit going to be? How much impairment do you want to allow a driver? He/she/they might have most of the booze/beer out of their systems, but that hangover could lead to someone's serious injury or death.

I feel that they should have an EXTREMELY tough set of penalties for this. Not a "1 strike and you're out" policy as someone suggested, but their "immediate re-test" is a good idea. Some over-the-counter remedies can and have given false positives for other more serious drugs in the past. I do, however, feel that a second positive result of any kind should be dealt with swiftly and finally. No, I didn't say "1 for coke and 1 for beer" for example. I said "2 strikes and that's it". Plain, simple, no-questions asked, no excuses allowed.

There are constantly posts on here about "using your car as a weapon". Well, do we want these weapons in the hands of people who are impaired or otherwise influenced by drugs/alcohol?

Okay, let's hear all of the "a little beer never killed anyone" and "the good old boys ran half-plastered all the time" rebuttals.
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4/14/2008 12:56 PM
Eagle Pit Shack Guy wrote:
Alright, my OPINION is this. I've stated it before, and we got into 1 heckuvan argument over this. But, I'll chime in again because God knows we need more arguments in this forum.

MANDATORY WEEKLY TESTING. Do it the morning of each and every race. It takes a couple of minutes to give the specimen, and even the busiest driver can take that much time. In fact, do it while the drivers are on their way to be introduced. They have to be there anyway, so use this. A few "collection areas" strategically placed, 5 minutes of every driver's time and it's over for the week.

This takes away the possibility of partaking directly before the race, or even the entire week OF the race. And, with some drugs, a lot longer than that.

I suppose that everyone would want a maximum allowable limit of alcohol, so that everyone can enjoy themselves the night before; BUT, what's the allowable limit going to be? How much impairment do you want to allow a driver? He/she/they might have most of the booze/beer out of their systems, but that hangover could lead to someone's serious injury or death.

I feel that they should have an EXTREMELY tough set of penalties for this. Not a "1 strike and you're out" policy as someone suggested, but their "immediate re-test" is a good idea. Some over-the-counter remedies can and have given false positives for other more serious drugs in the past. I do, however, feel that a second positive result of any kind should be dealt with swiftly and finally. No, I didn't say "1 for coke and 1 for beer" for example. I said "2 strikes and that's it". Plain, simple, no-questions asked, no excuses allowed.

There are constantly posts on here about "using your car as a weapon". Well, do we want these weapons in the hands of people who are impaired or otherwise influenced by drugs/alcohol?

Okay, let's hear all of the "a little beer never killed anyone" and "the good old boys ran half-plastered all the time" rebuttals.
I wonder if NASCAR would be interested in naming this policy the "Tim Richmond Last Chance Saloon?

I just read the book about him, finished it in four hours and on the same day the conversation about Aaron Fike started to heat up.

I don't know what you know about Tim Richmond, but he would probably not have survived in NASCAR as long as he did were such a policy in place. He didn't do "drugs", as they are popularly known, but he sure liked partying.

Your policy suggestion is probably close to what should be adopted. I'd like to see random selection without any advance notice, so driver intro would be out.  The military has had outstanding success by using random testing. The morning they announce the test, they use the last digit of the social security number and last names beginning with A-M or N-Z. For me randomness is the key and this is probably as random as they will be able to get. But no advance notice and no set day of the week. There could be logistical issues involved with that last part, but I'm betting they're not insurmountable hurdles.

NASCAR has ruled with an iron fist and any system that was not random in nature could be used to target somebody they didn't want in the sport.

Read about what they did to Tim Richmond for a good example of how such a non-random system could be abused.

By the way, I found a book about Jan Opperman, but it's a bit pricey. I'm going to get it, but I just have other priorities at the moment.
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4/14/2008 12:59 PM
def717 wrote:
If NASCAR changes it's drug policy there are going to be alot of people getting fired or in re-hab. I was down in the Charlotte area in the mid 90's, spent alot of time with some of the crew members. Now I am not straight laced or puritanical, but I was surprised with the drug use and drinking among the crews. I will add that I did not see them doing it at the track, but that is not to say they weren't. I came home from work one night, well probably about 2AM and the next day someone from Bobby Allison's team approached me and asked where I was coming from at that hour. I said work. So I asked him what he was doing up at that hour and he told me he had been doing coke...It's a wonder that Allison's team wasn't doing so well.

I think NASCAR should change it's policy. Random testing ought to do the trick.
Just joined, b*tching about other posters and accusing people that were team members for one of the best drivers in the sport's history of doing drugs.

Yeah, right. Maybe you are telling the truth. But then again maybe you are just here posting whatever you want to post and asserting it as fact.

Facts are an interesting thing. So is trying to prove a negative.
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4/14/2008 1:04 PM

On Tradin paint, Tom Jensen of SPEED TV said Nascar should have testing, get into the 21st century because he said Tony Stewart, Harvick and Kahne all said they've never been tested in their career.  Kyle Petty said this in response, "Nascar doesn't need a policy, we don't have a problem, we police ourselves and it works fine, when was the last time you saw Tony or Kevin or Kasey act erratically"???  

What a dipterd answer.  He said, "if we see someone who we think is out of line, we report him".  Again, what an idiot.  I think they better test Petty first. 

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4/14/2008 1:27 PM
speedyracer1 wrote:

  

What a dipterd answer.    



Dipterd.


I'm usin' that from now on. Shouldn't it be "dipturd?"
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4/14/2008 1:53 PM
jlb;

The very reason that I proposed mandatory, across-the-board testing weekly was explicitly because I wanted to eliminate even the shadow of suspicion of favoritism. Of course, with some of the "black helicopter crowd", it wouldn't matter anyway.

And, my proposal to do it race day, was because that was when the drivers would be most dangerous if impaired. Testing and practice of course would be a concern, but usually those directly precede race day; so residuals of "substances" would still be detectable.

There are as many different ways to test for drugs as there are companies/organizations in the country. Everyone says that theirs is the best, and quite a few are very good. But, if you want to erase any idea that someone in NASCAR is "using", I don't see but one way to go about it. Otherwise you will have folks saying that "so and so" didn't get tested.

Just my thoughts. As you said, NASCAR rules with an iron fist, so let the totalitarian state continue it's current ways.

As for the Opperman book, yeppers, it's expensive whenever a copy comes up for sale. There weren't really all that many printed, compared to today. The target market was rather small. And those who have copies (I have 3 different ones on him) keep them and treasure them.

If/when you ever get around to buying & reading it, let me know what you think. I reread all of them periodically in the dirt track off-season. Mostly to get my "fix", but also to remind me of a simpler and quite probably better time in the world.

HMMMM....."fix"???? Maybe I need to be tested. Naaah, dirt track fever isn't harmful, but it is addictive.
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4/14/2008 1:57 PM
If acting erratically is to be the criteria for testing....

....NASCAR rule enforcers will be at the front of the testing line.



Better drink lotsa water boys.......