Joined: 7-23-2006
Posts: 8076
Joined: 7-28-2006
Posts: 758
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/1/2009 5:46 PM
All I can say is thank goodness none of my loved ones are going to be on the same track with him if he does....  way too serious for any "maybes" in my book...
Joined: 7-26-2008
Posts: 821
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/1/2009 6:01 PM
Good for Mayfield!

Test Dale Jr! That boy is on something, and it ain't speed!

Joined: 4-26-2009
Posts: 132
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/1/2009 6:44 PM
Platem0nkey wrote:
Good for Mayfield!

Test Dale Jr! That boy is on something, and it ain't speed!

 

Having lived through many years of multiple (and negative on my part) drug tests while in the military, I don't trust positive readings as much as I don't trust negative readings.  However, just my personal opinion is that Meth wouldn't be part of Mayfields "thing".

That being said - I also think NASCAR got a positive reading for whatever the cause, jumped in with both feet, and then found itself no way to gracefully back out - so they kept moving forward.  Lots of ways to retest as has been talked about on this board, but it never happened.

A couple of days ago, a few drivers signed some "statement" that said they did NOT want to race on the same track as Jeremy, should his suspension be lifted.  If Jeremey qualifies, I wonder if those drivers are going to "man up" and stick by those words?  I think I remember seeing Jeff Gordon, Jimmy Johnson, and Robby Gordon as "signers" of the statement.  Any of those three going to stick to their word and refuse to race, or were they just playing good "foot soldiers" to NASCAR bosses?

And the final question becomes - will the playing field be level for Jeremy?  Will his car get the SAME scrutiny by the NASCAR officials, or will they be given instructions to be a tad more "stringent" in their inspections?  I am hoping that any NASCAR official would be honest and fair enough to say they will give level of attention to Jeremy's car as they would, say JJs, JGs, Jrs, or KBs.

I guess we'll find out tomorrow and Friday.




 
Joined: 7-28-2006
Posts: 758
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/1/2009 6:56 PM
Actually what they said was:

The reason why this is important is that several drivers, who, recently filed affidavits of their own about the safety of driving with impaired competition. Let's revisit their words:

1 - I make my livelihood by racing in NASCAR events. Racing is my life and career. However I am not willing to put my life at risk driving a racecar on A NASCAR track with drivers testing positive for drugs that diminish their capacity to drive a racecar. I support NASCAR's Substance Abuse Policy and depend on NASCAR to prohibit drivers who don't abide by the policy, from racing.

2 - If drivers are on the track in violation of NASCAR's Substance Abuse Policy, it presents serious questions as to whether or not it makes sense for me to put my life at risk.

One could assume JM wouldn't show up at the track 'on' anything this week  with all eyes on him, so if the mentioned drivers participate, it doesn't make them anyone's foot shoulder.

Driving is a job - just like yours, just like mine, although a bit better paying...        - I still say NOT cool..

Joined: 7-26-2008
Posts: 821
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/1/2009 7:15 PM
Test the man a couple times before the race. If he's clean, sit down, shut up and strap in.
I don't think he's a meth head.




Joined: 4-26-2009
Posts: 132
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/1/2009 10:14 PM
RHW...   exactly, let's revisit their words:



So, to me that says - they are not willing to race on the same track that Jeremy Mayfield is racing on, because he has "tested positive".  So, if Jeremy makes the race, and they race, it shows that they really did not mean what they said in their signed affidavit - but rather, were just saying what NASCAR wanted them to say.  

If they were really NOT WILLING to do it, they would sit the race out in protest.  However, we know that doing so would seriously damage their points positions.  So, are they willing to not race, regardless of the cost, or are the really just willing to SAY that they are not willing...  but will put aside their "beliefs" or "concerns" because doing otherwise would be a huge financial impact.

They either need to back up their words with actions, or they are nothing more than just "mouthpieces" for the party line.
Joined: 6-25-2008
Posts: 758
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 12:16 AM
Can't you just see little Brian and little Lisa running around on their gold carpet at their "palace office" in Daytona saying, "How dare that judge to go against what WE SAY!"
As far as "other drivers" they are just falling in line with what FRANCECAR wants them to say.
The entire association is hypocritical in every aspect!

Against drugs....but, at this time.....GO JEREMY!!!!
Joined: 5-23-2007
City: Thun, Switzerland
Posts: 1299
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 12:59 AM
omajinai wrote:
RHW...   exactly, let's revisit their words:



So, to me that says - they are not willing to race on the same track that Jeremy Mayfield is racing on, because he has "tested positive".  So, if Jeremy makes the race, and they race, it shows that they really did not mean what they said in their signed affidavit - but rather, were just saying what NASCAR wanted them to say.  

If they were really NOT WILLING to do it, they would sit the race out in protest.  However, we know that doing so would seriously damage their points positions.  So, are they willing to not race, regardless of the cost, or are the really just willing to SAY that they are not willing...  but will put aside their "beliefs" or "concerns" because doing otherwise would be a huge financial impact.

They either need to back up their words with actions, or they are nothing more than just "mouthpieces" for the party line.
The article seems to put their own slant on the quote and it's misleading. Notice that the "are not " are actually out side the quotes. That's spin.

He also might have to win over some drivers. Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson submitted affidavits last week as part of a NASCAR filing. In the court documents, the drivers said they are not "willing to put my life at risk driving a race car on a NASCAR track with drivers testing positive for drugs that diminish their capacity to drive a race car."

The way I read it is that if Mayfield does show up, they are going to have to seriously thnk about the decision. They were expressing their reservation about being on track anyone who has tested positive.
It is not the race that is the first test, it's practice when they are first on the track together.
Testing him on the days he competes is not really an option; the results take time. Regardless of his history, I do feel he will be clean this weekend.
With regard to the alternate testing methods, the onus is on Jeremy to have the tests done. NASCAR has backed up their results with a second lab, they cannot order Mayfield to submit to another test. The longer Mayfield waits the better the chance of it being clean.
Joined: 12-26-2007
Posts: 849
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 3:22 AM
Now I am not saying that this is proof positive or anything, just something to think about.

On the June 15th edition of the Bubba the Love Sponge radio show host

Bubba Clem conducted an in-studio experiment in which he ingested the same mixture of Adderall XR (which Bubba is currently taking as prescribed by a physician)and two doses of Claritin-D that Mayfield claimed to have taken prior to his drug test.

A subsequent urine test, also administered in-studio, showed that Clem tested positive for the use of both amphetamines and methamphetamines.

This would seem to lend credence to Mayfield's argument that it was a combination of these two substances that led to a positive methamphetamine test
__________________
Joined: 3-28-2008
Posts: 7927
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 5:24 AM
anybody willing to drive at 200 with plates at dega or tona
with 42 other people in a pack is half crazy anyway
Joined: 7-24-2006
Posts: 6833
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 10:12 AM
Yes, that saga of FRANCECAR continues.  The judge says it, that's it imo.  But then again,...
Joined: 7-28-2006
Posts: 758
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 12:19 PM
omajinai wrote:
RHW...   exactly, let's revisit their words:



So, to me that says - they are not willing to race on the same track that Jeremy Mayfield is racing on, because he has "tested positive".  So, if Jeremy makes the race, and they race, it shows that they really did not mean what they said in their signed affidavit - but rather, were just saying what NASCAR wanted them to say.  

If they were really NOT WILLING to do it, they would sit the race out in protest.  However, we know that doing so would seriously damage their points positions.  So, are they willing to not race, regardless of the cost, or are the really just willing to SAY that they are not willing...  but will put aside their "beliefs" or "concerns" because doing otherwise would be a huge financial impact.

They either need to back up their words with actions, or they are nothing more than just "mouthpieces" for the party line.
What it says to you is of no importance to anyone BUT you - what these drivers said is what they said - not what you try and twist it to mean. if JM shows up (pun intended) and tests clean that day, the other drivers are not racing THAT DAY with someone on drugs, right?  According to the law.  It still means drug testing should be done on folks in NASCAR and when someone tests positive the appropriate steps should be taken.  Looking out for your own safety makes no one a 'mouth piece'...  you try too hard to make NASCAR the bad guy here.  JM was tested, he failed - this should be overlooked?  Is that what you are saying?

I wonder if that judge would have made the same decision if HIS son was going to be racing at 200mph next to an individual who had failed a drug test?

What would you do if you were one of the other drivers?
Joined: 7-28-2006
Posts: 758
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 12:22 PM
mudslinger47 wrote:
Now I am not saying that this is proof positive or anything, just something to think about.

On the June 15th edition of the Bubba the Love Sponge radio show host

Bubba Clem conducted an in-studio experiment in which he ingested the same mixture of Adderall XR (which Bubba is currently taking as prescribed by a physician)and two doses of Claritin-D that Mayfield claimed to have taken prior to his drug test.

A subsequent urine test, also administered in-studio, showed that Clem tested positive for the use of both amphetamines and methamphetamines.

This would seem to lend credence to Mayfield's argument that it was a combination of these two substances that led to a positive methamphetamine test
__________________
 
Bubba the Love Sponge - on the radio - hey, you've convinced me!  A source no one could ever question!  What better venue to get at love, life and the persuit of happiness...   
Joined: 7-24-2006
Posts: 6833
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 3:01 PM
Red Headed Woman wrote:
omajinai wrote:
RHW...   exactly, let's revisit their words:



So, to me that says - they are not willing to race on the same track that Jeremy Mayfield is racing on, because he has "tested positive".  So, if Jeremy makes the race, and they race, it shows that they really did not mean what they said in their signed affidavit - but rather, were just saying what NASCAR wanted them to say.  

If they were really NOT WILLING to do it, they would sit the race out in protest.  However, we know that doing so would seriously damage their points positions.  So, are they willing to not race, regardless of the cost, or are the really just willing to SAY that they are not willing...  but will put aside their "beliefs" or "concerns" because doing otherwise would be a huge financial impact.

They either need to back up their words with actions, or they are nothing more than just "mouthpieces" for the party line.
What it says to you is of no importance to anyone BUT you - what these drivers said is what they said - not what you try and twist it to mean. if JM shows up (pun intended) and tests clean that day, the other drivers are not racing THAT DAY with someone on drugs, right?  According to the law.  It still means drug testing should be done on folks in NASCAR and when someone tests positive the appropriate steps should be taken.  Looking out for your own safety makes no one a 'mouth piece'...  you try too hard to make NASCAR the bad guy here.  JM was tested, he failed - this should be overlooked?  Is that what you are saying?

I wonder if that judge would have made the same decision if HIS son was going to be racing at 200mph next to an individual who had failed a drug test?

What would you do if you were one of the other drivers?


I do believe in the law, rather it falls in line in what I believe or not believe.  This time the law made the call.  We will have to see what the rest of the story plays out.

We all know OJ was guilty right?  There ya' go..
Joined: 7-26-2008
Posts: 821
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 3:03 PM
Bubba rules!

Bottom line is, if Mayfield passes a drug test before the race he is as safe to be with out there as any of them.
Don't hang the man until his case is over. But then again, this IS America where we judge a person by 10 oclock news slices...
Joined: 4-26-2009
Posts: 132
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 5:53 PM
Red Headed Woman wrote:
What it says to you is of no importance to anyone BUT you - what these drivers said is what they said - not what you try and twist it to mean. if JM shows up (pun intended) and tests clean that day, the other drivers are not racing THAT DAY with someone on drugs, right?  According to the law.  It still means drug testing should be done on folks in NASCAR and when someone tests positive the appropriate steps should be taken.  Looking out for your own safety makes no one a 'mouth piece'...  you try too hard to make NASCAR the bad guy here.  JM was tested, he failed - this should be overlooked?  Is that what you are saying?

I wonder if that judge would have made the same decision if HIS son was going to be racing at 200mph next to an individual who had failed a drug test?

What would you do if you were one of the other drivers?

Ahhh...   now I think I get it.   What I get out of what was said is of NO IMPORTANCE to anyone but me, but what YOU took out of what they said IS IMPORTANT and the ONLY way to interpret it.   Got it.

You are reading and twisting more than I am.  So if Jeremy tests that day and passes they are driving with clean drivers so what they said then falls into that category.  Come on now.  You are reading whatever message it is you want to see.   Plain and simple, they said they were not willing to race with Jeremy if the suspension was lifted.  They said it in a way to attempt to "pressure", through the use of their names and influence in the sport, a decision by the judge.  Yet, we both know that regardless of what they MAY say, they will NOT take any action because it would, ultimately, cost them points and money.

The testing is suspect.  The conditions under which the tests were taken, were less controlled than they should have been.  Proper testing and retesting procedures were NOT followed.  Read the legal filings.  And the judge saw problems with how the test was conducted and therefore, agreed to the temporary injunction.  The deck was stacked, NASCAR holds all the cards, and refuses to admit that there COULD have been a problem with the test.  They found him guilty, without due process, and gave him no opportunity to prove otherwise.  And you consider that FAIR and LEGAL?

Let me tell you how they used to conduct "RANDOM" drug tests in the branch of the military I served in years ago.  They had specific people they were targeting... and others they were covering for... but they couldn't legally "TARGET" them by forcing them to submit to piss tests.  So, they RAMDOMIZED it enough so that the same people always got "selected", while others never got "selected".  Test #1 - If you enlisted from California, Missouri, Oklahoma, or Rhode Island... it's your time to piss.   If the last digit of your SSN is 1, 3, 4... it's your time to piss.   If your last name starts with the letter B, G, L, or Y... it's your time to piss.  Fair and legal?   Well... maybe LEGAL, although barely, but FAIR?  Not when the person who was "conducting" or "selecting" the getting his drugs from Corporal Brown (letter B) from Missouri (state test) who's last digit of his SSN is 3. 

No other drivers signed affidavits.  No other drivers stood up and said what these 3 drivers did.  All I want to see is if these 3 drivers will stand up for what they "STATED THEY BELIEVED" or not.  No more, no less.  And we know what that answer is.  And, if I was one of the other drivers, and I popped positive, which I KNEW was false, I would want to have all the chances possible to prove my innocence - which is more than JM was given.  And I would expect support from my "co-workers"... that being other drivers.  I wouldn't expect to be stabbed in the back...  by a fellow driver, so he would "look good" in NASCAR's eyes.
 
Joined: 3-29-2009
Posts: 347
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 7:08 PM
I would be surprised to see Jeremy race the rest of the year.  I am not sure a sponsor is going to come on board with all the uncertainty
Joined: 7-23-2006
Posts: 8076
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 7:38 PM
Red Headed Woman wrote:
Actually what they said was:

The reason why this is important is that several drivers, who, recently filed affidavits of their own about the safety of driving with impaired competition. Let's revisit their words:

1 - I make my livelihood by racing in NASCAR events. Racing is my life and career. However I am not willing to put my life at risk driving a racecar on A NASCAR track with drivers testing positive for drugs that diminish their capacity to drive a racecar. I support NASCAR's Substance Abuse Policy and depend on NASCAR to prohibit drivers who don't abide by the policy, from racing.

2 - If drivers are on the track in violation of NASCAR's Substance Abuse Policy, it presents serious questions as to whether or not it makes sense for me to put my life at risk.

One could assume JM wouldn't show up at the track 'on' anything this week  with all eyes on him, so if the mentioned drivers participate, it doesn't make them anyone's foot shoulder.

Driving is a job - just like yours, just like mine, although a bit better paying...        - I still say NOT cool..


I don't see Jeremys' name in the affidavit , the drivers signed .

I do know 4 team owners turned Jeremy down for this week ,, Looks like a Big Check Form NASCAR may be going to Jeremy .


We will have to wait and see .
Joined: 7-21-2006
Posts: 1106
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/2/2009 8:17 PM

He may have a better chance next week of trying to qualify his own car than getting in this weekend and they might as well start testing him now because very few drugs aren't going to leave a trace after only a week off even marijuana can be detected more than two weeks after use.
 

Joined: 6-25-2008
Posts: 758
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/3/2009 12:17 AM
Hasn't he been off much more than one week?

I hope, for his sake, he is found innocent of this and is able to continue his career.  Always seemed like a nice guy and did show on a number of occasions he can drive one of those FRANCECARS!
Joined: 7-24-2006
Posts: 6833
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/3/2009 11:33 AM
You can bet your *** that he  "will be tested again", guarranteed.
Joined: 6-25-2008
Posts: 758
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/3/2009 10:13 PM
Well, the "palace" doesn't have to worry about Mayfield for this weekend.
Rain will dictate starting positions.
And you just know there is NO CAR OWNER who would even use him as a "reflief" driver so it is on to wherever they race on the 12th!
Joined: 7-21-2007
Posts: 246
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/5/2009 11:58 AM

NASCAR isn't likely to emerge from this the winner because claritian-d and Adderall XR will make you test positive for methamphetamines. i believe nascar jumped the gun BIG TIME with this. i also found out that nascar does not have an actual list of banned substances for the drivers so how to they know what to not take? now Mayfield is broke and having to borrow money from family and friends and no car owner will touch him and he is being sued for oweing 86,000 to Triad Racing Development, an engine and chassis supplier. sounds like nascar will be cashing out some money on this because now the facts are coming out and it down look good for nascar.
Joined: 7-21-2006
Posts: 1106
Judge says Mayfield can race
7/6/2009 9:37 AM
trans_am_403 wrote:

NASCAR isn't likely to emerge from this the winner because claritian-d and Adderall XR will make you test positive for methamphetamines. i believe nascar jumped the gun BIG TIME with this. i also found out that nascar does not have an actual list of banned substances for the drivers so how to they know what to not take? now Mayfield is broke and having to borrow money from family and friends and no car owner will touch him and he is being sued for oweing 86,000 to Triad Racing Development, an engine and chassis supplier. sounds like nascar will be cashing out some money on this because now the facts are coming out and it down look good for nascar.


Careful what you say around here as some will call you Oliver Stone or Michael Moore for talking like that.