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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
10/17/2009 7:28 PM
Sorry Pete but I think you are wrong. If television can't find the debris and the drivers can't find the debris maybe there isn't debris. Don't censer the drivers. Don't let NASCAR become any more of a dictator than it already is. It's too much like roller derby or those other two things you mentioned. Far too often cautions are called just before someone is about to be lapped or someone else is too far in front to make it a "race" If it smels like a duck and looks like a duck it's probably a duck ... and not debris.
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
10/17/2009 9:10 PM
I'll bet he'd throw a fit if someone said that he should start being fined for speaking his mind.
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
10/18/2009 1:53 AM
I hope you're not expecting anything from Pete. I don't think any of the staff actually read the forums. I have the impression that they feel that they are above the rest of us. We just couldn't understand their more informed opinions.
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
10/18/2009 3:58 AM
hey now, they got us this great software for the forums and they litsened to us to get it fixed and it will be fixed on friday!!!
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
10/18/2009 10:39 AM
Agreed. Nascar will throw debris cautions with nothing out there to make the racing more exciting for the fans.
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
10/18/2009 12:33 PM
They just need to figure out how to be less obvious
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
10/18/2009 1:51 PM
BillyTKidd wrote:
I hope you're not expecting anything from Pete.
Are we talking about the articles as well?
I am.
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
10/19/2009 12:17 AM
On Windbag tonight, they had a pole and the vote was 50/50 for the phantom yellow. Half liked them (the ones that want crashes) and half hated them, (the ones that want racing).
Duane
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
10/19/2009 12:38 AM
I say let the chips fall where they may. Not every race is going to be a nail biter with side-by-side racing, but that's like every competition.
However, many of the people here complain how boring some races are until 'that next-to-last caution with 50 laps to go.'
mudslinger47 wrote:
On Windbag tonight, they had a pole and the vote was 50/50 for the phantom yellow. Half liked them (the ones that want crashes) and half hated them, (the ones that want racing).
Duane
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
10/21/2009 1:15 PM
Pete, the problem is not the drivers speaking out, the problem is inconsistant and/ or unclear rules enforcement by NASCAR. Fans are sophisticated enough to see for themselves that phantom cautions happen, not as often or as blatently as 15 or 20 years ago, but they happen. Go to any fan webboard, fans are speaking out about issues like phantom cautions and head-scratching penalties, not because their favorite driver spoke out, but because they saw the issue with their own eyeballs. Muzzling drivers will do nothing.
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
11/3/2009 2:31 PM
yeah, they should park newman this week cause he was upset after a life-threatening crash(i believe the article was about talking bad about nascar in general)
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
11/3/2009 6:05 PM
nascar has been losing it's marbles ever since brain and lesa have been in charge
auto racing is a sport
nascar has become entertainment instead
it's really sad how some peeps take a great product and ruin it
but it happens in every industry out there
just sad it had to happen to one of our great national pastimes
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
11/4/2009 4:35 AM
kennyr wrote:
Pete, the problem is not the drivers speaking out, the problem is inconsistant and/ or unclear rules enforcement by NASCAR. Fans are sophisticated enough to see for themselves that phantom cautions happen, not as often or as blatently as 15 or 20 years ago, but they happen. Go to any fan webboard, fans are speaking out about issues like phantom cautions and head-scratching penalties, not because their favorite driver spoke out, but because they saw the issue with their own eyeballs. Muzzling drivers will do nothing.
You think there were more phantom cautions 20 years ago?
I seem to remember drivers lapping the field on occasion back then. It was not uncommon for Michigan to run caution free.
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
11/7/2009 11:08 AM
Where is pete at?
Come in here and defend yourself!!!
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
11/7/2009 1:00 PM
The folks at the top of the hill at NASCAR are trying desparately to keep their fickle fans. Long term race fans know who I mean, the fans that showed up between the time when you could arrive at the tunnel at Daytona on Friday night, meet up with your friends at turn 1 (right in front of Lake Lloyd) and watch racing all weekend for 80 bucks and now, when you have to reserve a campsite in the infield for $1,250, cannot tent camp, have to have an RV, cannot build fires or fly flags. The fickle fans of NASCAR today spend money - lots of money and NASCAR sees these fans losing interest to other new, exciting things so they are doing everything they can to lure these folks back in because they already out-priced old-time fans like us. Now we have "exciting and spectacular" pre-race shows and announcers who get paid by the word (they must get paid by the word, otherwise why would they drone on and on for every second of the race, just like football announcers?) to keep things fresh and attractive to the fickle fans. So, what are a few rule changes and phantom debris flags as compared to losing the millions of dollars NASCAR has grown to love? This is the case of taking a perfectly good sport and turning it in to a dollar sign...jmho.
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Pete Pistone & phantom cautions
11/7/2009 3:39 PM
Heck...for 1200 dollars I could fly out to a great resort jus north of chattenoga (spelling) tenn....with some great people too, and watch the race, on a huge tv, drink wine, and watch the dog eat rocks. what could be better than that? nuttin!