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Double file re-starts & the rain winners?
6/29/2009 9:45 AM
Maybe this would make for a good discussion, maybe not.
The double file re-start is a huge success, we all know that.
This race delay "so called win" stuff has got to be changed imo only.
On another post my suggestion is the team with the most points accumulated during the "race" would be declared the sinner.
Any other suggestions?
Discuss:
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6/29/2009 10:26 AM
NWFAN#1 wrote:
Maybe this would make for a good discussion, maybe not.
The double file re-start is a huge success, we all know that.
This race delay "so called win" stuff has got to be changed imo only.
On another post my suggestion is the team with the most points accumulated during the "race" would be declared the sinner.
Any other suggestions?
Discuss:
So you're saying that NASCAR should try, at all costs, to get the race completed? There were about 35 laps left when the rains came. It probably would have taken 3-4 hours to dry the track once the rain stopped. There are no lights at the track in New Hampshire. Which means that they would have had to race on Monday to finish the race, if the weather had cooperated. And that's IF.....
The teams need to be in Daytona by Thursday AM, so a race completed on Monday would have really put a strain on the teams and the crews. I don't think that too many folks care that NASCAR called the race complete after 260 laps and it rained, or that Joey won by strategy of not pitting. If the rain had been light, and not enough to throw a red, Jpey would likely have had to stop for gas in a few more laps, which would have killed Zippy's strategy...
Jeff's won a few that way, too... Remember the Darlington race last year(or was it two years ago?)?
Suggestions? - well, since you've been a little grumpy lately, I'd try a little more fiber in my diet, if I were you.....
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6/29/2009 10:29 AM
What I am saying is instead of just "giving the race" to the one in the lead, give it to the team that has accumulated
the most points during that specific race.
IMO only racing is about racing, not handing the flag to the one sitting idle under the yellow for rain.
Yes, maybe grumpy lately, PTSD you know...thanks for reeling me in, appreciate it...
Nah, forget the trying to dry the track and finish the race that is not my point here..
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6/29/2009 10:49 AM
How do you accumulate points during the race?
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6/29/2009 11:34 AM
I kinda agree with ya NW, but as much as I hate rain winners and fuel mileage racing, I think it's a way of life. NASCAR is like the government, their into the dictatorship deep enough now, if you allow them to figure out who accumulated enough points, they'd be picking winners till hell froze over. (prolly sounds like I don't trust them)[your right,I don't]
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6/29/2009 1:10 PM
BillyTKidd wrote:
How do you accumulate points during the race?
Well Joey gets 195 and Jeff got 180. Joey still wins. It sucks the way rain outs work but that is the way it's gone for years and years. That will never change. I wouldn't want to win that way. I'd take it but my pride would want to beat ya by racing ya,
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6/29/2009 2:36 PM
Hey listen, obviously I am pumped about the win for Joey but what this actually proves is they need to start these races earlier like they used to and not worry about the left coast. The left coast has no trouble getting up at 10 AM for football so why should this be different? If they start that race when they used to (120) then the Deuce wins that race.
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6/29/2009 3:01 PM
dilligaf wrote:
BillyTKidd wrote:
How do you accumulate points during the race?
Well Joey gets 195 and Jeff got 180. Joey still wins. It sucks the way rain outs work but that is the way it's gone for years and years. That will never change. I wouldn't want to win that way. I'd take it but my pride would want to beat ya by racing ya,
I've never been ashamed of being smarter than my competition.
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Double file re-starts & the rain winners?
6/29/2009 4:40 PM
Can't control the rain and they were right to call it, but they can control the schedule. Some races get rain every year. Year after year. They need to do a study and move around some of the races to "try" and outsmart the raingods.
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Double file re-starts & the rain winners?
6/29/2009 5:26 PM
Rain is rain. Whoever is leading at the end is the winner. Look at the controversy you'll have if the announcer says "The winner will be announced after we get the final tally." What if a driver crashed the lap before the rain, and he declared the winner? There is no need to change the current policy. You'll just create new problems. We have had cars that win a complete race that probably didn't deserve it. The way I see it, Joey and Zippy make the right decisions to put them where they were and deserve the win.
With all that said when it comes to racing, Rain Sucks.
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6/29/2009 8:43 PM
mudslinger47 wrote:
I kinda agree with ya NW, but as much as I hate rain winners and fuel mileage racing, I think it's a way of life. NASCAR is like the government, their into the dictatorship deep enough now, if you allow them to figure out who accumulated enough points, they'd be picking winners till hell froze over. (prolly sounds like I don't trust them)[your right,I don't]
Duane
wos, thanks duane, love ya man, we agree on sumpin. guess there is a 1st for ething eh??
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6/30/2009 3:24 AM
NWFAN#1 wrote:
mudslinger47 wrote:
I kinda agree with ya NW, but as much as I hate rain winners and fuel mileage racing, I think it's a way of life. NASCAR is like the government, their into the dictatorship deep enough now, if you allow them to figure out who accumulated enough points, they'd be picking winners till hell froze over. (prolly sounds like I don't trust them)[your right,I don't]
Duane
wos, thanks duane, love ya man, we agree on sumpin. guess there is a 1st for ething eh??
Hey, you know me, I'm just an old softy. LOL Duane
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6/30/2009 10:23 AM
All of the above conversation is why I have stated I wouldn't want to win like that. You don't think he hasn't been reading all of these negatives? But that is the rules and all sports have intangibles. If a team is getting ready to play the Super Bowl and their starting QB goes down and the other team wins they will always hear the word BUT. Nothing should change Joey is the winner. But I will tell you for a fact that when Joey wins the next time and it is from racing hard and being the fastest he will admit that it is his true first win.
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6/30/2009 11:03 AM
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All of the above conversation is why I have stated I wouldn't want to win like that. You don't think he hasn't been reading all of these negatives? But that is the rules and all sports have intangibles. If a team is getting ready to play the Super Bowl and their starting QB goes down and the other team wins they will always hear the word BUT. Nothing should change Joey is the winner. But I will tell you for a fact that when Joey wins the next time and it is from racing hard and being the fastest he will admit that it is his true first win.
Losing the QB before the Super Bowl is a bad analogy.
What the team did was more like the home team coming from behind in the 7th inning and seeing heavy rain imminent and deciding to have the next batter(s) intentionally strike out to ensure the inning is complete.
Never apologize for out smarting the competition, if they seem angry; they're embarrassed for their failure.
Why should it be OK to out design the other teams, but some how cheap to execute a better strategy?
He should have no regrets; the team put the car in the lead at the right time.
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6/30/2009 11:18 AM
So no driver who has ever won a rain-shortened race has a 'true' win? Long list, my friends... what about fuel-milage races? No 'true' wins? An even longer list. Sometimes a winner is also smarter. True in sports - true in life.
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6/30/2009 6:05 PM
dilligaf wrote:
All of the above conversation is why I have stated I wouldn't want to win like that. You don't think he hasn't been reading all of these negatives? But that is the rules and all sports have intangibles. If a team is getting ready to play the Super Bowl and their starting QB goes down and the other team wins they will always hear the word BUT. Nothing should change Joey is the winner. But I will tell you for a fact that when Joey wins the next time and it is from racing hard and being the fastest he will admit that it is his true first win.
I respectfully have to disagree with you here. At least they go the distance, time, quarters, innings, etc; etc;. I have nothing against Logano. He didn't win it IMO only, they gave it to him. That is what this post refers to, winning, not giving the checkered hankie as a gift.
He will really win, someday, that is a fact..true first win are your key words and thanks for the post.
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6/30/2009 6:29 PM
NWFAN#1 wrote:
I respectfully have to disagree with you here. At least they go the distance, time, quarters, innings, etc; etc;. I have nothing against Logano. He didn't win it IMO only, they gave it to him. That is what this post refers to, winning, not giving the checkered hankie as a gift.
He did really win and someday he will win another, that is a fact..true first win are your key words and thanks for the post.
Baseball doesn't always go the distance - 5 of 9 complete innings is enough. Your other examples are either indoor sports or play through weather.
NASCAR cannot effectively race in the rain (especially on ovals), nor can they wait indefinitely for the rain to subside. The only other solution is to race indoors. Given today's technology do you really want them reduced to 1/8 mile tracks?
Joey really did win, just check the record books. NASCAR is a team sport; his team came through.
People who cannot accept that the team out-foxed other teams must have a serious inferiority complex. Stretching the fuel tank is no different than choosing a gas-and-go or a two tire stop over a full four tire stop. Zippy
analyzed the situation and made a track position dicision. I will say that maybe NASCAr should look to F1 with regard to shortened races. In F1 untl the race is 75% only 50% of the points are awarded. Of course F1 is not above cancelling races for which I give NASCAR big props for trying to reschedule.
Logano won the race; check the record books and if that doesn't work wait until next week adn you'll have another chance to B&M.
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6/30/2009 7:26 PM
Some of you guys crack me up! 'It isn't a 'true' win' - 'I wouldn't want to win like that'...... if you were in that race car, you'd take any kind of win you could get - and call it a 'true' win and celebrate until your lips fell off!!! Good grief!
Get over yourselves already! He WON - a rain-shortened race - just like lots of 'big names' have in the past - it's part of the sport - move on!
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7/3/2009 11:41 AM
Ok red...here is the deal for man racing, not powder puff racing. The win is when you get the checkered hankie, you know, that black and white thingie that the guy in the funny shirt waves at that finish line thingie??? lol
But, in other words, you are still a wwwwiiiiinnnnnneeeerrr in my bok kay?
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7/3/2009 2:54 PM
Yeah I agreed with the one that said that a race should be completed 100% no matter what. Sort of like in Baseball. Nine innings or you dont get the win kind of thing.
Seriously though, think about it..no other sport cut things short and hands some undeserving driver a win by doing absolutely nothing to earn it. NASCAR has been behind other sports and will still be playing second fiddle to top sports like the NFL and such for as long as they fix this loophole that gives free wins away.
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7/3/2009 3:49 PM
BillyTKidd wrote:
NWFAN#1 wrote:
I respectfully have to disagree with you here. At least they go the distance, time, quarters, innings, etc; etc;. I have nothing against Logano. He didn't win it IMO only, they gave it to him. That is what this post refers to, winning, not giving the checkered hankie as a gift.
He did really win and someday he will win another, that is a fact..true first win are your key words and thanks for the post.
Baseball doesn't always go the distance - 5 of 9 complete innings is enough. Your other examples are either indoor sports or play through weather.
NASCAR cannot effectively race in the rain (especially on ovals), nor can they wait indefinitely for the rain to subside. The only other solution is to race indoors. Given today's technology do you really want them reduced to 1/8 mile tracks?
Joey really did win, just check the record books. NASCAR is a team sport; his team came through.
People who cannot accept that the team out-foxed other teams must have a serious inferiority complex. Stretching the fuel tank is no different than choosing a gas-and-go or a two tire stop over a full four tire stop. Zippy
analyzed the situation and made a track position dicision. I will say that maybe NASCAr should look to F1 with regard to shortened races. In F1 untl the race is 75% only 50% of the points are awarded. Of course F1 is not above cancelling races for which I give NASCAR big props for trying to reschedule.
Logano won the race; check the record books and if that doesn't work wait until next week adn you'll have another chance to B&M.
Then they race the next day..old school vs. new school..that is ok with me..complexes are for the shrinks couch, not r-1
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7/3/2009 3:52 PM
so if Kobey Bryant fell down and got an owie they would cancel the championship, what is the difference then?
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7/3/2009 3:52 PM
the good part is that we can respectfully dissagree...
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7/4/2009 4:20 AM
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Then they race the next day..old school vs. new school..that is ok with me..complexes are for the shrinks couch, not r-1
You can't play the 'Old School' card - it doesn't fly with me.
So, you're saying that NSCAR should wait indefinately until they can complete the cace? Anything less than 100% complete doesn't count?
Applying your logic NASCAR should have waited until dark, then post-poned the race until Monday, which could have possibly turned into Tuesday to run the last 27(9%) laps of the race? That's simply impracticle. Rain-shortend races have been a fact for a very long time. It is really in the 'modern era' that NASCAR has had the luxury of being able to postpone a race to the next day. Prior to the 'modern era' there ere approximately twice as many races on the schedule often falling the very next day. Full one day post-ponements were impracticle even then.
1926 Indy 500 71 laps.