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7/16/2008 7:55 PM
running 1000 feet.

Oh, wait.

Nothing bad happened to the world.....

Still gotta choose between Obama and McCain....

Drag racing survives....

When Don Garlits says that the TEMPORARY reduction is the right thing to do while they study the deal, well, I think that the NHRA and the fuel drivers made the right decision...
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7/19/2008 1:24 PM
You're right, nothing bad has happened in the world. In fact, I'll be saving around a thousand dollars in the coming months by not driving to Memphis (6 hrs) or Dallas (8 hrs) for a drag race of less than 1320 feet. Drag racing will survive without me and good luck to them. It doesn't mean I have to stay interested in it anymore as long as they stay at 1000'. Between what NASCAR has become and now the NHRA, at least I still have the IRL and short track racing. Hopefully, the IRL won't start anything like a "Chase" or "Countdown" or my interest will diminish there as well.
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7/20/2008 12:50 AM
This is my 1st post to this LS.  I apologize for making it such a long one.  I just need to vent.

I agree--the NHRA and its drivers have every right to do whatever it is they want to do.  So do I.  I live in Orlando and every year I get together with a high school buddy who lives in Seattle and buy three seats to the Gators at Gainesville; this weekend's Nationals at Seattle; Mid-South at Memphis; and, the Winter Nationals at Pomona.  My friend from Seattle is at the races, I'm in Orlando.  I ate the tickets and saved the airfare.  I'll be doing the same for Memphis and Pomona.  We sit Nitro at Memphis and TEC at Pomona so eating tickets is expensive.  Truth is, the fair thing would be for Pacific, Memphis, and NHRA (Pomona) to refund ticket cost sfor annual fans like me, or any fans who bought before the change.  Not gonna happen. 

I just got off the phone with my Seattle buddy; he said to forget it.  Says that if anything happens down track during TF or FC, anything, they shut the whole operation down.  Meanwhile, they've removed the penalty for oil downs--why's that?  He says that the burn outs still rock, drivers are taking more chances at the line, but if you blink, you miss the race.

Fuel cars should not be slowed down--the whole point of the sport has been to go as quickly as you could in a straight 1320 foot line.  We're not talking turns, we're not talking about other cars on your butt or in front of you--we're talking side by side, two machines and drivers.  The Pedregons have both blown up and been on fire this year; both oppose 1000 feet--both do advocte less down draft and automated saftey systems in case of catastrophic engine, fuel system, chasis, chute or driver failure (loss of consiousness). 

Longer tracks are absolutetly necessary, so are more sophistcated traps.  If venues want to host these events, they have to spend the money to keep these drivers safe.  It's my understanding that the guy who owns Texas Speedway is already lengthening that rack.  When I started following the drags more than 35 years ago, cars went slower and there weren't even guardrails at many tracks; I think there were 10 or 12 national events.  All the current tracks evolved to differing extents or were built to differing standards; they need to be standardized, and need to rebuilt to safely accomodate cars that drive even faster than 335.  Saftey should have always been and should always remain the most important feature of the sport.  In my opinion the NHRA has been getting by with technical executives who are either unqualified, or who've bowed to pressure from the multi-car corporate fuel teams who used to want to go faster, but didn't want to invest in the hardware necessary to run safely with the power plants they were willing to invest in.

I'm still not sure what happened in the Eric Medlen tragedy; but the fuel cars are running new Eagles, and I'm pretty sure that's related to Eric.  Force nearly gets killed running old structural technology; Murph McKinney fixes the problem in two weeks.  Scott's tragedy requires the venues to reinvest in infrastructure, and teams to innovate.  Not so, instead the NHRA says the fans have to bite the bullet with either shorter races or slower cars.  Yeah--right.

To me it looked like the catostrophic engine and/or fuel system falure in Scott's car resulted in such a massive explosion that it knocked him out.  It didn't look like he reacted at all.  It also looked like the trap torn the front off the car and catapulted the cockpit into the crane.  This is definitely a tragedy.  But I see where four people were killed in a Houston crane accident yesterday--I'll bet they have another crane there next week.

When it come to entertainment, every year is election year.  I'm voting with my feet.  I'll bet ESPN2 is having a fit.
 
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7/20/2008 10:32 PM
Well, I'm headed for Sears Point this Saturday (yes, I already had the tickets) and will experience the short track in person before making any life changing decisions.

13 out of 16 exceeded 300 mph in Qualifications on the short track, so it's not a whole lot slower at the finish line. 

We'll just wait and see.  I have no doubt the short track is "safer", but the ultimate in "safe" is to not run at all.  The goal should be to find "safe enough", and I'm not sure that that can't be found with a 1320 ft. track and the specs that are already in place.
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7/22/2008 5:50 PM
I am also going to Sears Point for the Drags this weekend.  I was at the Wally Parks NHRA Mussium this past week end. (Highly reccomend to any fan)  They had a jar of Ascot Speedway dirt on display for us sprint car fans.    I was talking to some of the people who worked there at the Panoma track.  They indicated that there is no room to expand the track to allow a longer slow down area.  My opinion is I love the sport of drag racing.  If they need to make a "temporary" fix until a long term solution is found then I am happy to continue to support them.  If this is their long term solution, then I may change my mind.  I do not go to races to see crashes, I go to see exciting racing.  The last thing I want is to see these true daredevils take excess chances than what they already do.
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7/24/2008 2:21 PM
There is no more room to expand the shutdown at Pomona.. the Fairplex property(which is where Pomona is) ends at the end of the drag strip....When I attended races there in the '80's, I thought that the track was short, then. So with the increased speeds of today's fuel car, I'm sure that the shutdown area is even less adequate than it was before..

I think the biggest problem that the NHRA faces is that most of the facilities that hold National Events are older, and in areas where they cannot expand to meet safety needs. Shoot, I think that one track has a road crossing the shutdown area with a stop light to control traffic when the cars are making a pass.

So the solution, IMO, is to find a way to slow down the cars in 1320 feet. But a lot of fans want the speed of todays cars...me, I can't tell the difference between 275mph and 310mph. SO lowing the cars down might be the only choice....

And almost noone complained when the NHRA shortened the speed trap(the area where they measure the vehicle speed) to 66 feet from 132 feet. And the speed trap used to be the 66 feet before the finish line to 66 feet AFTER the finish line. Its now the 66 feet prior to the finish line.

So can you imagine the speeds if they were measuring the old way???
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7/27/2008 11:39 PM
Chicofan1 wrote:
Well, I'm headed for Sears Point this Saturday (yes, I already had the tickets) and will experience the short track in person before making any life changing decisions.

13 out of 16 exceeded 300 mph in Qualifications on the short track, so it's not a whole lot slower at the finish line. 

We'll just wait and see.  I have no doubt the short track is "safer", but the ultimate in "safe" is to not run at all.  The goal should be to find "safe enough", and I'm not sure that that can't be found with a 1320 ft. track and the specs that are already in place.
OK, I spent Saturday at Sears Point for the qualifications.  From the main grandstand, I found the short track totally acceptable for the fuel classes.  And I think for the average spectator they probably weren't even aware of the difference.  For we who have been there before, the basic difference is just the numbers that come up on the finish line boards.  There are some grandstands (terraces) at the finish line, and from there it would have been more obvious that the fuel classes were popping the chutes before the old finish line.  But with guys like Antron Brown running 316 mph and 3.80 (Fri. night), I doubt that anyone could tell the difference in speed.
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BTW, at Sears Point, the shortened track is totally unnecessary for shutdown safety.  The whole length of the shutdown area is uphill and is quite a bit longer than a 1/4 mile in any case.  In the afternoon on Saturday, we had a 16 mph headwind and the guys in Funny Car had a hard time making it far enough uphill to turn off before they came to a stop with the chutes out and had to be towed off!   I agree that places like Pomona (been there many times for both the Winter Nationals and the Finals while living in SoCal), the short track will be a boon and hopefully alot fewer guys end up in the sand.
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So, for this old timer (originally joined the NHRA around 1950), I'd give the short track a thumbs up and certainly this change is not a reason to abandon watching or participating in the sport. 
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7/28/2008 7:14 PM
Speed and distance didn't take Scott's life....but untill they can make the shut down areas safer and breaking devices on the fuel cars better then I guess the 1000 ft will have to do for the time being...but I hope they will run the full 1/4 mile again one day...the problem now is setting the clutches to engage at the right time for the 1000 ft mark...
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7/28/2008 11:33 PM
Chicofan1 wrote:
Chicofan1 wrote:
Well, I'm headed for Sears Point this Saturday (yes, I already had the tickets) and will experience the short track in person before making any life changing decisions.

13 out of 16 exceeded 300 mph in Qualifications on the short track, so it's not a whole lot slower at the finish line. 

We'll just wait and see.  I have no doubt the short track is "safer", but the ultimate in "safe" is to not run at all.  The goal should be to find "safe enough", and I'm not sure that that can't be found with a 1320 ft. track and the specs that are already in place.
OK, I spent Saturday at Sears Point for the qualifications.  From the main grandstand, I found the short track totally acceptable for the fuel classes.  And I think for the average spectator they probably weren't even aware of the difference.  For we who have been there before, the basic difference is just the numbers that come up on the finish line boards.  There are some grandstands (terraces) at the finish line, and from there it would have been more obvious that the fuel classes were popping the chutes before the old finish line.  But with guys like Antron Brown running 316 mph and 3.80 (Fri. night), I doubt that anyone could tell the difference in speed.
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BTW, at Sears Point, the shortened track is totally unnecessary for shutdown safety.  The whole length of the shutdown area is uphill and is quite a bit longer than a 1/4 mile in any case.  In the afternoon on Saturday, we had a 16 mph headwind and the guys in Funny Car had a hard time making it far enough uphill to turn off before they came to a stop with the chutes out and had to be towed off!   I agree that places like Pomona (been there many times for both the Winter Nationals and the Finals while living in SoCal), the short track will be a boon and hopefully alot fewer guys end up in the sand.
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So, for this old timer (originally joined the NHRA around 1950), I'd give the short track a thumbs up and certainly this change is not a reason to abandon watching or participating in the sport. 
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7/28/2008 11:39 PM
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So, for this old timer (originally joined the NHRA around 1950), I'd give the short track a thumbs up and certainly this change is not a reason to abandon watching or participating in the sport. 

Response: 

I agree...if you still find the same level of enjoyment at 1000 ft., that's great.  The fact is, I envey you.  I  just can't get into it.  

Does anyone want to buy two really great aisle seats in the Nitro section at Memphis?  I've had them for years, they're great.